http://jackieblue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a?format=rss Tribe.net. Local Connections http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#7592e8ad-2ab0-40c4-9350-9b67927d4a22 Sounds like I'm really going to have to plan a Michigan trip in the near future, now. And I don't even LIKE clubs! Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:39:21 GMT http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#7592e8ad-2ab0-40c4-9350-9b67927d4a22 Adrienne 2006-03-24T09:39:21Z http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#ded7f9d6-9440-4c63-b8e9-503ebbb5f21f We hear you! We're putting together the team to run this place bit by bit based on who we trust and want to see everyday. Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:58:34 GMT http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#ded7f9d6-9440-4c63-b8e9-503ebbb5f21f Jackie 2006-03-23T22:58:34Z http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#1413e753-ae01-44ed-8753-fb7e078b9c39 Very good point. We'll make sure that a few of our favorite bartenders are involved with the archtect and sound crew during the design phase. Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:57:25 GMT http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#1413e753-ae01-44ed-8753-fb7e078b9c39 Jackie 2006-03-23T22:57:25Z http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#8ec1a4ff-8f5b-463b-9b4d-a20f4bad3d1b PLEASE have experienced bartenders involved in the design of the bar area. A poorly designed bar can be dangerous for bartenders and increase wait time on drinks substantially, costing you money. Architects are really good at making a bar look cool but are crap at making it workable. Dave and his dad could be very helpful but also get people who've worked behind multiple bartender bars. Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:00:19 GMT http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#8ec1a4ff-8f5b-463b-9b4d-a20f4bad3d1b Adrienne 2006-03-23T11:00:19Z http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#70f60678-6b1f-49d1-abe4-326ff9ec7343 I've worked in quite a variety of clubs. I don't know if I could be of help but feel free to ask me anything. BTW, clubs/bars are a 24 hour a day job. You ould have to reeeeeeeeally want to be a clubowner (and a bit of a mistrustful bastard) to be a success at it. Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:55:13 GMT http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#70f60678-6b1f-49d1-abe4-326ff9ec7343 Adrienne 2006-03-23T10:55:13Z http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#be9c1619-8a24-496b-8c1b-0f2d8581d2bf Locations: We've narrowed it down to two locations and have met with the city councils. Next up: Letters of intent to perform from 4 major music acts (Class A level) and 6 Class B level act. Then it's pre-selling the suites. Then onto negotiating the land. Next, final selection of one of the four sound consultants that we've been working with. And the final step in phase 1, paying the archtect and sound consultant to complete the design work. Then comes Phase 2. Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:42:12 GMT http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#be9c1619-8a24-496b-8c1b-0f2d8581d2bf Jackie 2006-03-19T22:42:12Z http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#24afdce4-3b76-4c01-b574-97c2b8c7fd23 Update: We've settled on Van Tine|Guthrie Studio of architecture. They're the ones that designed the new Effigy Studio (recording studio) in Michigan. Also met with 3 major banks who are interested in part of the financing and we're talking with venture capital folks as well as individual investors to finance the project. The project is now a 500/2,000 seat venue (500 seats at 4 person tables for local and regional acts, 2,000 seats for large concerts) with a 100-200 seat restaurant. Checked out a few more locations in Michigan, Chicago, and New York City to compare to our venue. We have a sound consultant as part of the team representing the Harmon Group (JBL speakers, Crown amps, etc.). Have a chef reviewing the restaurant portion of the plan. Your feedback is welcome. Tue, 01 Nov 2005 19:08:36 GMT http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#24afdce4-3b76-4c01-b574-97c2b8c7fd23 Jackie 2005-11-01T19:08:36Z http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#9b0d2dbc-d6a4-4140-99e8-044432834f7f Looks like the music portion of the venue may be scaled up to seat 2000 people. It depends on what the final financial figures look like. We met with several architects and have two more meetings scheduled. Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:29:01 GMT http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#9b0d2dbc-d6a4-4140-99e8-044432834f7f Jackie 2005-08-18T16:29:01Z http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#d9fe49d6-d380-44ff-8a2a-51425a6a5e4c I totally agree with treating everyone as part of your family. Thanks for the head's up on the theft issue. Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:28:00 GMT http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#d9fe49d6-d380-44ff-8a2a-51425a6a5e4c Jackie 2005-08-18T16:28:00Z http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#c4a39e00-59fc-4a49-af8d-59a9162e2c2e I've had both great and horrible experiences working in a variety of clubs. The places that treat their talent and employees with caring and respect seemd to do better financially and with turn-over. One thing to watch out for if you're opening a club, you have to keep an eye out for employee theft. Most bartenders and servewrs won't but there are a lot out there who will rob a business and the customers blind. Hell, with David in your band, you have access to great club and bar owning advice! Thu, 18 Aug 2005 03:20:57 GMT http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#c4a39e00-59fc-4a49-af8d-59a9162e2c2e Adrienne 2005-08-18T03:20:57Z http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#9ba14359-292c-41c5-b73b-73b9c7380e56 Tom, A good friend of mine (he's also on Indiegrrl) named Mchael use to book for a club in San Jose. He now lives in Detroit. If you want, I can put you in contact with him. A.C. Tue, 09 Aug 2005 11:42:02 GMT http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#9ba14359-292c-41c5-b73b-73b9c7380e56 Aaron 2005-08-09T11:42:02Z http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#7a09ac3b-7805-483f-80e0-6761ef712f81 Brad's the one. Mon, 08 Aug 2005 15:37:06 GMT http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#7a09ac3b-7805-483f-80e0-6761ef712f81 Jackie 2005-08-08T15:37:06Z http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#6afaef2e-5d95-481a-aa17-b0c04f28b263 :) - will do, boss lady Mon, 08 Aug 2005 15:11:54 GMT http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#6afaef2e-5d95-481a-aa17-b0c04f28b263 Brad 2005-08-08T15:11:54Z http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#4bb65e73-f3f8-4758-98c5-0ae28e6f0afd You better do a good job on it. lol jk Mon, 08 Aug 2005 15:06:33 GMT http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#4bb65e73-f3f8-4758-98c5-0ae28e6f0afd Jenn a-k-a Goldie 2005-08-08T15:06:33Z http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#d1d0c795-0b0e-45a6-8b5c-b5ace87d13bb I want to help with the web site :) Mon, 08 Aug 2005 13:45:42 GMT http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#d1d0c795-0b0e-45a6-8b5c-b5ace87d13bb Brad 2005-08-08T13:45:42Z http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#75ed416c-842f-4745-b016-09045dee64b1 Wow, how awesome, T. I will have a new hang out! Mon, 08 Aug 2005 05:26:38 GMT http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#75ed416c-842f-4745-b016-09045dee64b1 Jenn a-k-a Goldie 2005-08-08T05:26:38Z http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#c4ff6acd-9ed1-429a-a5eb-2db1a2b5f631 This project is moving forward thanks to all of the feedback we've received. The banker's have given it their initial thumbs up. Right now we're talking with representatives for several national acts to gain their input into what amenities we'd need to provide at the venue to convince them to make our place a starting point or at least an intimate stop on their upcoming tours. Next we're meeting with architects to get the first round of proposed designs completed and a building budget. After that, we meet with the audio/video consultants to bring them into the project. Our commercial property agent is scouting locations in Farmington Hills, Bloomfield, Novi & Royal Oak (Michigan) for us. We looked very carefully at Detroit and found 6 great buildings but sadly the taxes are too high for a profitable place and it's a challenge to work with the city. After we have our business plan completed, it's back to the investors and banks. If all goes well, we'll start selling season tickets in the spring of 2006 for a spring 2007 launch. You're feedback is very welcome! Sun, 07 Aug 2005 23:24:32 GMT http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#c4ff6acd-9ed1-429a-a5eb-2db1a2b5f631 Jackie 2005-08-07T23:24:32Z http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#fa113914-cd1a-4484-b9e7-b98451cb28f2 I would pay $12 per person in order to support my local bands. Sun, 02 May 2004 14:32:35 GMT http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#fa113914-cd1a-4484-b9e7-b98451cb28f2 Jenn a-k-a Goldie 2004-05-02T14:32:35Z http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#8a45df95-8e4b-4a6f-b8d4-0f60dee06062 Not likely... I would pay that much to see a known band that I really loved, if they had the "clout" that is were "big" enough to pull that sort of cash... ie, I live in Seattle, and just paid that much to see Electric Six, and gladly, in fact, I would have paid more! But for me, they'd have to be THAT known for me to be willing to pay that much... or someone I just absolutley adored... most likely both... I would not pay that much to see some local/regional band with little "press" probably no matter how much I liked them... $5 - $8 is pretty much the standard for the sort of band you seem to be talking about.... you'll get a better "head count" that way, trust me... most people don't want to pony up in the double digits unless the band is "biggish" you also need to think about your alcohol consumption if you are running a club... you make more money there than at your door... the more you charge for tix, the less money they have to spend on drinks... I have some thoughts for you on what a cool club would be like too... and have some know how for promotion, booking, rock writing, etc... if I lived in detroit, i'd be happy to pitch in... hell, it wouldn't take much to convince me to move out there... I'm due for a change lol why don't you click on my avatar and send me a message and I'll run some more thoughts by you... I don't want to put them up in a public thread... you wouldn't want them "lifted" *laughs* Fri, 30 Apr 2004 18:54:24 GMT http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#8a45df95-8e4b-4a6f-b8d4-0f60dee06062 angelboots 2004-04-30T18:54:24Z http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#84964306-3c44-4314-b300-72d3aa900299 Would you pay $12 per person to attend a 700 seat venue, with reserved seating, to hear local and regional music? Fri, 30 Apr 2004 18:33:43 GMT http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#84964306-3c44-4314-b300-72d3aa900299 Jackie 2004-04-30T18:33:43Z http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#a062a94f-9583-473e-ab1f-8001a4e5394a Many cities across the world have clubs where live music is played (Detroit is no exception), but so many owners are in the business only for the business. I don ’t blame anyone from wanting to eat but owners that take a real interest in catering to both of the clients (the paying ones and the bands) are rare. Does anyone have experience owning or working in a club? There ’s a few of us here thing of opening one in Detroit and we ’re interested in your feedback (good and bad). Mon, 06 Oct 2003 23:52:30 GMT http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#a062a94f-9583-473e-ab1f-8001a4e5394a Jackie 2003-10-06T23:52:30Z http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#7dee5eb6-3641-4b44-ad87-29817b81ed74 There's a couple of groups in Detroit interested in opening (or building from the ground up) a new club that not only caters to paying guests for an exciting evening out, but also to the muscians and artists who create the evening. Capacity would be in the 350-1000 range. We need your feedback: 1) What would you like to see in a club if you were going to one that would make an exceptional evening. 2) What would you like to see in a club from the musicians perspective. Tue, 07 Oct 2003 23:03:15 GMT http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#7dee5eb6-3641-4b44-ad87-29817b81ed74 Jackie 2003-10-07T23:03:15Z http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#64fb33df-5ef4-43ba-9487-4982919e6bef I have never actually owned a club, but I have worked in a few , and was a creative director/booker / promo gal for a club several years back (and all I really wanted was to just have a regular place to perform) It was terribly hard work and exausting. I think that if you are a creative person w/ artistic ambition,it would be very wise to have other people to take care of as much of the business and promo as possible , because it takes so much out of you , that eventually you will not have any energy or a clear head for playing music. Not to sound like a complete bring down,but running a businees takes a different state of conciousness then writing and playng; and running a business is just that - business. I don't care how creative,cool,prolific , and / or fair of a person you are ,it's very easy to get carried away with the dream ,and let things slide. I'd say just really keep your head on your shoulders , and don't hire your friends.Good luck , Kitty Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:14:15 GMT http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#64fb33df-5ef4-43ba-9487-4982919e6bef Sister Diggins 2003-10-17T18:14:15Z http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#28aed7fd-7081-4d46-abb7-6d6200840b98 I hear you. I just got a taste of booking bands for a benefit show. They were all great to work with but even then, it was a lot of work. We'll hire the professional business folks to do that part. Sat, 18 Oct 2003 14:39:39 GMT http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#28aed7fd-7081-4d46-abb7-6d6200840b98 Jackie 2003-10-18T14:39:39Z http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#80af888c-1aa5-47bf-96c0-7c0fa8ef7546 Word, I have been a promoter for a couple places and 75% of the time it SUCKS booking and dealing with talent. And its a ton of work. Wed, 29 Oct 2003 01:28:00 GMT http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#80af888c-1aa5-47bf-96c0-7c0fa8ef7546 Steve Bassed 2003-10-29T01:28:00Z http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#e1410609-fa64-4ba1-a40b-ec4c48e221ee I hear you. The upside to my limited experience is that we know who is reliable and who is not. If you were to hire a booking agent, what do you suggest are the best attributes to look for when first talking with them? Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:09:10 GMT http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#e1410609-fa64-4ba1-a40b-ec4c48e221ee Jackie 2003-10-29T18:09:10Z http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#82921da2-b371-4515-b700-42e9c460b864 Organization, cool-headedness and a somewhat charming personality. Someday who exudes a hell of a lot of confidence. Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:04:13 GMT http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#82921da2-b371-4515-b700-42e9c460b864 Steve Bassed 2003-10-29T19:04:13Z http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#c31f8c8b-2d44-490c-9015-070e6ce4cb46 Ok. Say I'm able to find that type of person, what would be a fair payment schedule for them (commission from the door, salary plus commission, salary only)? Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:20:06 GMT http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#c31f8c8b-2d44-490c-9015-070e6ce4cb46 Jackie 2003-10-29T19:20:06Z http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#58848e6c-11aa-4b86-a53b-474d6ba69c36 I wouldnt do salary unless you are doing gigs 320 days a year and you could afford it. A percentage from the door is usually the best method, or bar if you get a percentage of the bar. Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:52:46 GMT http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#58848e6c-11aa-4b86-a53b-474d6ba69c36 Steve Bassed 2003-10-29T19:52:46Z http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#236ab563-0a8c-4cb1-9699-93f39f1eebcf Say we pulled in 350 people on each Friday and Saturday, 50 weeks per year (500 person capacity club). It's been suggested that the door should be $5 per person. That's $1750 per night, twice a week. What percentage of this would you pay to a good booking agent? Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:01:28 GMT http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#236ab563-0a8c-4cb1-9699-93f39f1eebcf Jackie 2003-10-29T21:01:28Z http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#2f1c7aaa-35eb-4261-b0dc-daf2ddf5b7c4 10% is pretty standard. Fri, 31 Oct 2003 03:48:49 GMT http://JackieBlue.tribe.net/thread/b2fddd38-b751-4a17-9518-17f3c552732a#2f1c7aaa-35eb-4261-b0dc-daf2ddf5b7c4 Steve Bassed 2003-10-31T03:48:49Z